Odyssey Book 10 translated by Fagles read by Ian McKellan

The Bewitching Queen of Aeaea.

To help support this ministry click here: http://www.patreon.com/inspiringphilosophy The Book of Job is one of the most misunderstood books in the Bible. I a…
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  1. naciamaJYute می‌گوید:

    No, no no & no. You are doing the same thing the devil did: i.e. accusing a
    righteous man! It matters not what we think of Job, nor does it matter what
    Job thought of himself. All that matters is what God thought of him. And
    God describes Job as: “my servant…. There is no one on earth like him; he
    is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

    The sacrificial system was not set up by Job, but by God. Every time
    someone sacrificed an animal they would confess their sins over the lamb
    placing their hands on its head. By FAITH they were transferring their sins
    from themselves to the sin bearer, the lamb of God, Jesus Christ. By faith
    they left justified by the GRACE of God.

    If Job was blameless and upright in the site of God it must have been by
    grace through faith. Lets not accuse him of falsely serving God, that’s the
    devil’s job. 

  2. Holly Powell می‌گوید:

    You are SO NOT right on this one!!!! God shows ALL of us through Job that
    NO MATTER what happens to Job, HE WILL STAND BY GOD 100%!! Job was not
    trying to prove ANYTHING! God is the One who tells the enemy Job is
    righteous… that means Job was WITHOUT sin by the POWER of the HOLY Spirit
    GOD gave Job to DEFEAT the enemy within Him! You too need to do the same
    thing and also stay out of the church building and begin hearing the Father
    for yourself. When you do, THEN you may be able to speak… DO NOT TEACH
    THIS BLASPHEMY of the HOLY Spirit…. You have been warned. Blessings and
    LOVE! 

  3. Edge2 Sword می‌گوید:

    There is NO way you can read Job19:25 and tell me that Job did not have the
    right kind of faith . you may say Job tried to do more but God declared him
    righteous from the very beginning . Why don’t you correct this huge mistake
    in your theology ?

  4. Daniel Apestegui می‌گوید:

    Most people think living in Grace is keeping and living into their comfort
    zone which means doing the good work will make them have a good life. They
    are following rules and not looking or establish a relationship with God.
    Once again you have a gift!

  5. HoubaBouba می‌گوید:

    +InspiringPhilosophy spot on! The church fathers agree with your analysis.
    See, Job himself was righteous, but was also self righteous. He said what
    he felt would make God happy. He didn’t act as if he needed God at the
    beginning. 

  6. RedOxen14 می‌گوید:

    Great video! A lot of people say that catholic and eastern orthodox
    churches teach moralism. This made me kind of suspicious of your points but
    as the video went on, I realized the great truth in what you were actually
    saying and it really made me look within myself since i can be quite
    pretentious at times. A lot of times, even though in my mind i know that i
    am mere sinning dust of the earth before the Holy King and Creator of all,
    my heart shoves it away for sin as “dog to vomit”.
    “If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works,
    whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,
    without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.”- Council
    of Trent 

  7. Henri-Ansel Vallee می‌گوید:

    The flaw in this reasoning is that it advocates this idea then when we
    repent after our tribulation we will gain some significant material reward.
    In a Hollywood movie sure, but to say in real life that each of us will
    gain this big reward makes the entire story very unrealistic.

  8. Ronald Gunsolus می‌گوید:

    You make the logical error of affirming the consequent several times in
    your argumentation, most notably in saying that because all who hate God
    love death, and because Job loves death, that therefore Job hates God…
    How do you reconcile God Himself declaring Job to be righteous with your
    position that Job is depending on His works (which is clearly
    unrighteous)? Job accepting good and calamity as being from God and
    blessing His name also seems problematic to this position without judging
    Job’s mindset and not strictly looking at his actions and words… re-read
    your CS Lewis quotation carefully :) could it be that your (right) distaste
    for the prosperity gospel is causing you to read into Job with assumption?
    While you have a couple insights I found interesting, overall, I think you
    can clean this presentation up and make your argument stronger if you slow
    down and take the time to :)
    Love your presentation of the gospel of grace throughout :)
    Keep up the good work ( pun intended :p )

  9. Rick Romney می‌گوید:

    I only watched the first few minutes of the video. It appears that you are
    trying to rebut the notion that God would never allow a truly righteous
    person to suffer because that would be so wrong. Hence, you portrayed Job
    as not truly righteous because he relied rather on works, not on grace.

    This supposition, I think, is still arguable. But there is no need to go to
    that discussion to explain Job. Jesus Christ himself, although perfectly
    blameless and righteous, was allowed by God to suffer. The reason, of
    course, is that it manifested God’s love in an exemplary manner in this
    work of redemption. But apart from this, St Paul explained another reason.
    In Hebrews 5:8-9, he said that through these sufferings, Christ’s obedience
    was perfected.

    The way I see it, it was also through these trials that God refined Job’s
    obedience. As the devil argued, is he only obedient because he has been
    receiving good things? What if he experienced evil? Will he still obey?
    This, for me, is still a valid reason for trying Job because it tests how
    sincere we are in our faith in and obedience to God.

    Perhaps Job was a prophetic type to the sufferings of Christ.

  10. VassalofGod می‌گوید:

    I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but in the Catholic Church we have
    these things called the seven capital sins, and the worst of them is
    considered pride, pride is what separates us most from God, and it was
    pride in the first place which caused original sin

  11. ZeNoodle می‌گوید:

    If God thought Job wasn’t righteous, not only would he have neglected to
    call Job righteous when addressing Satan, but he probably would have
    answered Job’s questions at the end of the book by saying “I did this to
    you because were not righteous!” He doesn’t answer Job that way, instead he
    talks of the unfathomable task that it is to be God. He CREATED humans but
    is not a human. He refutes his own need to moralize anything (humans
    moralize, not God.) That is exactly what you are doing, finding a
    surface-level moralizing of the text rather than looking for deeper meaning
    in the context of the story. 

  12. Gerry Tiongco می‌گوید:

    Thank you and Kudos!!
    I was moved by the Papal Visit here in Manila when a 12 year old girl asked
    the Pope with an Open ended question where only tears and a silent heart
    answered:

    http://www.rappler.com/specials/pope-francis-ph/81196-girl-breaks-down-pope-francis

    http://news.yahoo.com/weeping-philippine-girl-challenges-pope-prostitution-064923640.html

    I was curious to search Youtube and saw this video.
    This answered my long time questions with Gods answer to JOB the parable of
    the Prodigal Son/s .

    We are here on earth to serve God and each other with fullheart and
    sincerety… The important ingredient….

  13. jonesgerard می‌گوید:

    It can be put simply, Pride being the deadliest sin, comes in two flavors.
    The atheist has intellectual pride,
    the high holy roller theist suffers from spiritual Pride and that is far
    far more dangerous of the two.

    Atheism is an anguish filled search for truth. Its a state of ignorance,
    not knowing.
    Theism is a belief in God and theres no excuse, Grace ends with the loss of
    ignorance.

    Religious holy rollers tell me Grace never expires, hah as if,
    it does when a person is so filled with SELF that they block themselves
    off from the Light of God.

    The second prodigal son worshiped his own hands, he observed his own
    pedestal and was bitter because his father didn’t notice his pedestal.
    “Look at me and the good I do”.
    But Jesus said “of myself I am ….”

  14. ForexOracle می‌گوید:

    Good theory pal, but the book in itself disagrees with you. In some parts
    of your explanation, you sound just like Job’s friends, accusing him. So
    around 4 thousands years later, people are still accusing Job. Isn’t it
    amazing?!?!?! Anyways, the purpose of the book of Job, is to show that
    humans just can’t figure out God and go judging other people. Sometimes
    people suffer because of their evil deeds. Sometimes not. And we as humans
    can’t go and judge. We should be nice to any kind of suffering because we
    don’t know. Note how God asked Job to explain things that were just too
    amazing for humans to explain. Don’t try to explain the unexplainable like
    Job did. Don’t judge people like his friends did. Don’t judge so you don’t
    be judge yourself Luke 6:37. God taught to all characters that they didn’t
    know enough to judge. I would advice you too my friend, to stop judging
    Job, Joe Osteen or anybody else.

  15. understndingjob می‌گوید:

    Key points from the book of Job.

    ۱٫ Original Hebrew wording of Job 1:8, “Why have you set your heart upon my
    servant Job?”
    ۲٫ Satan was not after Job, he was after God hence the words of Job 1:11
    “Touch everything that he has and surely he will curse YHOU to your face.”
    ۳٫ Satan already had power over Job’s life (God did not give it to him)
    due to the fact that Adam had already surrendered his God given control of
    the earth (Genesis 1:26 with Genesis chapter 3).

  16. Ga K می‌گوید:

    It was a wonderful video – I am under the great impression. Right now I
    have only one theological problem – and it is the problem of evil, or more
    precisely the amount of evil in the world. Let me give you an example: in
    ۲۰th century approximetely 200 million people died from Malaria alone (85%
    of victims are young children) – that’s 2 times more that 1st and 2nd wordl
    war combined; and it is not done by human free will (choosing evil,
    sinning) but by the forces of nature.

    How do you deal with this problem?

  17. Sarah Latschkowski می‌گوید:

    I apologize ahead of time if I took this out of context just ignore me
    lol. Good message except for the negative comments about Christains
    claiming theyll get a “sports car” and thinking theyll get one by
    proclaiming or praying for it. And the part with the picture of Joel
    Olsteen in the background. If thats what you get out of Joel Olsteens
    teachings then I strongly suggest to rewatch some of his teachings. If you
    are asking God for a sports car then you should probably re-evaluate your
    priorities lol. Cus thats not something a very spiritual person would pray
    for. Ive never heard Joel olsteen claim that you will get a sports car if
    you pray for it or anything that vain/ materialistic. but ive heard him
    speak about being positive and to have faith that God can heal your
    sickness and help your finances. I dont see anything wrong with that..The
    point is to stay positive and have faith in Gods promises. Anyways a
    Christian attacking another Christian is never attractive. I was into the
    video until the small jab at other Christians. Yes, it is stupid for people
    to pray for a sports car and to believe God will give them one. But if your
    asking for something that God knows you are ready for and if its God’s will
    you will get it. And if you don’t believe you can pray for things and get
    them through faith and prayer then you need to work on your faith. Have
    faith and God will give you what you need and heal you through your faith.
    I guess you mayt think I’m stupid or nieve for believing that but I know
    from experience that when you ask you shall recieve. Here are some of the
    versus from the bible, too….

    “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it
    shall be opened unto you.” (Matthew 7:7)
    “Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching
    any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which
    is in heaven.” (Matthew 18:19)

    “And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall
    receive.” (Matthew 21:22)

    “Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
    believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.” (Mark 11:24)

  18. Jacob Brown می‌گوید:

    I love the point you made at the very beginning involving the surface
    reading, and I find it very true and damning of atheist arguments as well
    as bible literalism. what I love to point out to anyone making fun of job,
    lot or noah I love to ask them what they thought of George orwells 1984,
    and from these same people the common answer is “I dident like that book,
    it was depressing” if they’ve even heard of it at all. so my point to them
    is if you cant extrapolate greater meaning from purely secular texts and
    deduce deeper meaning from entirely fictional stories, do you have any
    business debating or mocking the contextual validity of a religious text?
    simply put if you cant read between the lines then you aren’t reading it
    right. lol

  19. Judd Beahm می‌گوید:

    To all those who argue this, we are told that Paul to was righteous within
    the laws. God used Satan, as he always has to turn Job, as He did also with
    Paul, from his wickedness and realize that although he was righteous by
    definition of the law, the law only allowed him to fear God. Instead of
    loving God. Compare Job to Daniel, a man after God’s own heart. Who loved
    God so much he’d do anything for Him. See, when you act out of fear, you do
    not love that which you fear, buy instead you acknowledge it’s power over
    you and act because you are afraid of that power. Where instead, when you
    love something, you act simply because you know it desires it and you wish
    to please it. But when you fear it, you only act because you know its
    abilities over your life. Completely different, great video mate!
    Fantastically done, and well presented. 

  20. believe می‌گوید:

    InspiringPhilosophy …. thank you very much for sharing the Book of Job in
    the internet. Your understanding of this book brings new understanding to
    me and it opens up my thinking to understand the different books in a
    broader sense. Once again, thank you brother

  21. DonaldIssachar می‌گوید:

    Such a beautiful story. I read it the second time on my own and it made me
    cry. Even though I’ve read the whole bible I didn’t understand why God
    tempted Satan to enter Jobs life. Thank you for the video, you did a great
    job at incorporating real world examples, interpreting scripture with
    scripture, and helping me understand the word.

  22. Timothy Robinson می‌گوید:

    I think the video makes a good point about the way one worships. You can
    worship God and make sacrifices and lead a upright life and so on, but if
    you don’t have a communion with God, such as faith that He is in control
    and ask him for forgiveness for your short coming that you might not see in
    yourself, it doesn’t matter how good you are. As far as the pre-Jesus
    people are concerned, their were others besides the Israelite that will be
    saved, because its possible to have faith in god and to know He is in
    control with out belonging to Christianity or Judaism. God was trying to
    save everyone back then too. He must have had His presents felt in others
    life also. The video says this about Abraham and Noah who walked with God.
    I’d also like to say I always felt the book of Job was about God being God
    and who are we to question what He does, it is kind of harsh, but if He
    does it some other way it might be worse, who knows? A lot of people wonder
    why God let bad things happen, when He knows everything, such as the fall
    of man, the devil rebelling, innocents being slaughtered. Could it be that
    when he created things outside Himself, a balance has to be made?
    Separating the chaff from the wheat, and binding evil and casting it into
    the bottomless pit. Its way beyond human understanding, but maybe it has to
    be this way, and of course God wants it to be his way even if we think its
    strange. On a side note, the video is trying to say that God wants all to
    be saved and I agree 100%, but the guy in his briefs getting a hug, come
    on. :)

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